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By Lord Elpus
#71921
How many times do teams in possession play on and concede?
By RugbyMarvel
#71923
Lord Elpus wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2025 3:43 pm
How many times do teams in possession play on and concede?
Looks like stadium clock might have suggested there was still time to play. Would make sense that Warr didn’t just put it out.
By Surbiton_Shark
#71926
RugbyMarvel wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2025 3:45 pm
Lord Elpus wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2025 3:43 pm
How many times do teams in possession play on and concede?
Looks like stadium clock might have suggested there was still time to play. Would make sense that Warr didn’t just put it out.
I thought the same as Warr surely would have put it out

The TMO though....asked him about it and then just 'fine'....mind you missing 3 forward passes in the early Bath multi phase attack.....I just despair about the value they add
By Streatham Shark
#71927
It was the TNT clock, though that does make it strange that the TMO asked, though I suppose he's got the same time on his screens as we see.

Essentially it's Austin Healey's fault.
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By Lord Elpus
#71928
Streatham Shark wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2025 3:52 pm
It was the TNT clock, though that does make it strange that the TMO asked, though I suppose he's got the same time on his screens as we see.

Essentially it's Austin Healey's fault.
Definitely :lol
By RugbyMarvel
#71929
Streatham Shark wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2025 3:52 pm
It was the TNT clock, though that does make it strange that the TMO asked, though I suppose he's got the same time on his screens as we see.

Essentially it's Austin Healey's fault.
TMO just sees what you see on TV plus option to get additional camera angles when needed from director.

I think Warr should have got it out to a forward for one more phase, then should have been time to hoof it out
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By Olyy
#71932
Would like to see that penalty again because he looked far more off his feet than the last penalty
By 45jumper
#71933
Bath are a good side, but my god we are dire to watch: our attacking play can be figured out by a child.One-out runners hoping someone does something. Once it goes past a few phases we have nothing. Deacon has somehow nearly been here 10 years!!! IMO we need a new voice there..
By RugbyMarvel
#71935
Streatham Shark wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2025 4:42 pm
Did Russell take that from the mark?

No. No he didn’t.

He was off feet also for the turnover.

I think we also knocked the ball on and regathered prior to the pen, so it should have been a scrum Bath in any case.
By RugbyMarvel
#71937
Olyy wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2025 4:51 pm
What a shit ending
Glad we tried to get the come back win but also thought it might have been sensible to end the match once Onasanya had to back pedal and regather after we lost the ball.
By Olyy
#71939
Bath will cruise the league but really hope someone jammy knocks them out in the playoffs, such an unpleasant team - even prime Salarycens didn't have as many gloating shithouses in their side
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By Surbiton_Shark
#71940
Thought we deserved a losing BP

Quite impressed about we went - mighty efforts especially the younger ones. Huge effort against by the DP twins - they don't look like people about to leave - absolute commitment

Big swing when RDP missed touch, they got the resulting scrum pen and scored. I thought Reed was through at the end - my scream meant the cat still is yet to be found.

I'm quite encouraged - really good fight shown. Carpenter was outstanding
By Surbiton_Shark
#71943
Streatham Shark wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2025 5:13 pm
Sanderson not pulling his punches about the penalty and try at the end!
No - that was a time to bit your tounge

Clearly just annoyed about our general standard waste of possession in the red zone which has plagued us for ages and not getting any points despite a really good physical effort
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By Lord Elpus
#71944
Lack of leadership again from senior players. Axe must take some flak - Warr should have been replaced by Nye at h-t.

Plaudits to RM-W , Carps , Raymont , Caine.
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By Which Tyler
#71945
Streatham Shark wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2025 4:42 pm
Did Russell take that from the mark?
No, it wasn't. But...
Has there ever been a kick-from-hand penalty that was actually taken from the mark?
Not sure I've seen one in 40 years of watching rugby.
The mark tends to be the point maybe 1 step into a 5-6 step run-up to kick.
By RugbyMarvel
#71946
Which Tyler wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2025 5:44 pm
Streatham Shark wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2025 4:42 pm
Did Russell take that from the mark?
No, it wasn't. But...
Has there ever been a kick-from-hand penalty that was actually taken from the mark?
Not sure I've seen one in 40 years of watching rugby.
The mark tends to be the point maybe 1 step into a 5-6 step run-up to kick.
Pen Kicks for touch yes, often not taken from mark but it makes no difference.

But when it’s being done quickly against a team not set, similarly to a quick tap, it should have to be from the mark. Doesn’t help that the pen should have been other way anyhow.

But, we had some outstanding performers and some poor ones.

Warr again looks poor. Slow from the base, he takes the ball out and takes an ages to get the box kick away. Just generally bad.

Wasn’t hugely impressed with our one out carrying attacking structure but that’s on the coaches. We are hugely reliant on just sending big lads straight up the guts but it limits offloading capabilities as Bath just had two men tackling each time plus we risked losing it at the breakdown.

Thought RMW was brilliant. Addison okay. Carpenter fantastic, Reed and O’Flaherty both good. RDP some slick passing but kicking off tee not great.

Andrews sometimes seems a little weak in the carry and contact but is mobile.
By JohnJ of HM
#71947
It's very rare that I feel moved to write after a game but some things got to me today.

Why did it take so long to bring Nye Thomas on when Gus was struggling so much.

Why did we starve our most dangerous player of the ball in the second half. In the end Arron had to come inside for it and promptly made 40 m. Much as Josh Carpenter had a great game in many ways, he frequently took the tackle when Arron was outside him.

But above all why did we throw away a bonus point at the end . It was stupidly naive to think that we could score from inside our 22 when we could have kicked it and secured the bonus point. Poor leadership in the extreme.

One real plus-, I thought the young prop did well.
By RugbyMarvel
#71948
JohnJ of HM wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2025 6:19 pm

Why did we starve our most dangerous player of the ball in the second half. In the end Arron had to come inside for it and promptly made 40 m. Much as Josh Carpenter had a great game in many ways, he frequently took the tackle when Arron was outside him.
Arron, for me, isn’t going to be a starting Scottish International or top level player until he works harder to get more of the ball and doesn’t just stay out wide. I know he’s super dangerous outside but you’re praying and hoping for the ball to get to you and overlap some very strong defences. He’s not like Roebuck who is a great crossfield option but also does work hard to run lines off shoulders in centre of the pitch. When Reed does get himself onto people’s shoulders he’s hugely effective so he needs to focus on that more - even if it is the coaches telling him not to!

The likes of Radwan, Arundel, Cokanasiga, Hassell Collins, Lewington, Lynagh etc etc - they all look amazing when they score the wonder tries but they don’t get the honours because they go through patches (some just do it all the time) of never coming inside and working to get the ball.

I appreciate Reeds pace means when he is out wide, teams are really worried, but we need his hands on the ball and we need him to push for that
By PappjeShark
#71949
We shot ourselves in the foot in the second half. Addison was poor in particular, while RdP needed the clarity of mind to know that having just had their try chalked off, won a penalty and then a second one, biting off too much was the wrong choice. Instead the pendulum swung right back and they did take the lead. There was a collection of poor choices though - Addison made 2 or 3, Flats leaving a kick thinking it was going out but it stayed in, Caine getting pushed into touch when it was obvious he would and not passing it back inside (Flats tore strips off him for that one).

However, we can’t ignore the inconsistency of Dickson. First, in allowing Warr to be swallowed up at the back of the ruck when the ball seemed no more out than at any other ruck. And second, with the ridiculous latitude given to Russell for the try that effectively ended the contest. Several times this season we’ve been pulled back for being a fraction away from the mark. This was several yards. It’s simply not good enough.

On a brighter note and as noted elsewhere, Raymont gave a very good account of himself in testing circumstances. Well done young man.
By Halifaxshark
#71951
Congratulations to Tye Raymont on a great debut.

As a Yorkshireman who is a Sale Sharks fan who coaches young kids all of whom are mad Sale fans, it’s great to see Tye Raymont, Joe Carpenter and Tom Burrow not only running round in the premiership but playing for my side!

Alfie Longstaff not far off joining the list too, in our academy at hooker!
By LJK
#71952
Well we didn't get a pasting which with our 8 missing players and their very talented squad only missing 3, seemed quite likely. Same old errors in the opp 22, after some good phase play getting there. Until we get more consistent success in finishing moves we won't win much and won't get the currently elusive bonus points. We remain the lowest on these precious points bar N'cl and with only 7 games to go will probably mean finishing outside the playoff places.
My fears when Raymont came on so early for WGJ were very much unfounded! How do we keep producing these great young forwards, playing well beyond their years !?
By Bod
#71953
Olyy wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2025 4:55 pm
Bath will cruise the league but really hope someone jammy knocks them out in the playoffs, such an unpleasant team - even prime Salarycens didn't have as many gloating shithouses in their side
Please explain and justify your claim
Thankyou
By RinTin
#71954
It is what it is, most here were thinking we may get a losing bonus point at best. We almost did it. Frustrating to be so close and lose it. It’s annoying how their final try came about, but I can only praise the vision and quick thinking. If it were us, and we were pulled back, we’d be livid.

Well done Raymont on the debut. The scrummaging will come - Obano is one hell of a first opponent at this level, aside from the boring in….

Set piece and basics like touch finders and goal kicking let us down. DP twins and Carps can’t do it all, I thought they were outstanding.
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By Clutch
#71955
As usual Warr completely hindered us. Sanderson cannot keep selecting him and keep his job.

Lots to like about performance but we just keep making mistakes and it’s not improving. Sanderson looked like he’s had enough and I expect further coaching changes in the summer. Fine margins.
By Oh Danny Boy
#71956
Clutch wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2025 10:49 pm
As usual Warr completely hindered us. Sanderson cannot keep selecting him and keep his job.

Lots to like about performance but we just keep making mistakes and it’s not improving. Sanderson looked like he’s had enough and I expect further coaching changes in the summer. Fine margins.
I'd like to see Deacon go before we lose any player
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By poyntonshark
#71958
With our absentees that was, on the face of it, a decent performance. But, after watching the game, we had more than enough opportunities to win the game. Unforced handling errors, apparently non-existent attacking plan and lack of thought again our undoing. We seem to think that we are just going to bully the opposition, when the facts suggest the opposite. I'm sure you all heard the comms mention that we are bottom of the league for yards made after contact. We continually pick and go, sending one very large bloke into contact against 2 opposition large blokes, the unsurprising result is that we go nowhere. There is no variation, no disguise, no guile. When we do play with some pace and change the angle of attack with offloads we look very good, but it seems that a high power has deemed that it is not worth the risk.

Not despondant, we got pretty much what we expected from the game, but I am frustrated at our ability to hamper ourselves.
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By Olyy
#71961
We knock on quite a lot on those carries too, which is very frustrating - players taking it in one handed hoping a fend will lead to a linebreak
By RinTin
#71962
poyntonshark wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 8:03 am
With our absentees that was, on the face of it, a decent performance. But, after watching the game, we had more than enough opportunities to win the game. Unforced handling errors, apparently non-existent attacking plan and lack of thought again our undoing. We seem to think that we are just going to bully the opposition, when the facts suggest the opposite. I'm sure you all heard the comms mention that we are bottom of the league for yards made after contact. We continually pick and go, sending one very large bloke into contact against 2 opposition large blokes, the unsurprising result is that we go nowhere. There is no variation, no disguise, no guile. When we do play with some pace and change the angle of attack with offloads we look very good, but it seems that a high power has deemed that it is not worth the risk.

Not despondant, we got pretty much what we expected from the game, but I am frustrated at our ability to hamper ourselves.
Commentary picked up on this too - we have the second worst gainline success rate in the league (I believe it was second worst), with them also observing how we send one off runners 90% of the time. It doesn't work. Wake up Paul!
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By SSR
#71963
Very disappointing ending. Thought we were in with a chance of a win for the first half, but
our ability to cock up chances never fails. Thought Ref was even handed with his failures.
TMO seemed to be a waste of space. Not that the officials were the cause of our failure.
Austin Healey had us taped. The team should be made to listen to the commentary.
We MIGHT have won if we played more intelligently. Thought RDP had one of his off days.
The twins were the twins with a few errors thrown in. The youngsters were very impressive.
Warr was not good enough even with his oppo being rubbish. Was Addison playing?
Loads of effort and graft, just a lack of intelligence. Carpenter and Reed raised the bar,
we just could not jump over it, just ran into it. Russell and Reid were the difference on the
day.
By exileneal
#71967
It’s the handling errors for me that made me pretty angry watching that game. I understand that the conditions were difficult yesterday but the amount of errors we have over the season seem a lot more than the Baths and Saints of the world. May just be looking through tinted glasses with preconceptions when it comes to that though…
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By Lord Elpus
#71968
They are nearly always when a player - usually a forward - tries to go through a gap and the passer less than a foot away fires a bullet pass. Our passing technique and choices need vast improvement.
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By Oh Danny Boy
#71970
exileneal wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:40 am
It’s the handling errors for me that made me pretty angry watching that game. I understand that the conditions were difficult yesterday but the amount of errors we have over the season seem a lot more than the Baths and Saints of the world. May just be looking through tinted glasses with preconceptions when it comes to that though…
Do skills come under Deacon or McGuigan ?
By maultry
#71973
Olyy wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2025 4:55 pm
Bath will cruise the league but really hope someone jammy knocks them out in the playoffs, such an unpleasant team - even prime Salarycens didn't have as many gloating shithouses in their side
What a strange post. Bath are a pretty humble team, even with Finn in their side. Who exactly was "gloating" yesterday? What triggered you?

Unlike Bristol, Harlequins or Exeter (in previous years) who after every try you'd think they'd won a World Cup, Bath are pretty low-key.
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By RinTin
#71975
maultry wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 1:37 pm
Olyy wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2025 4:55 pm
Bath will cruise the league but really hope someone jammy knocks them out in the playoffs, such an unpleasant team - even prime Salarycens didn't have as many gloating shithouses in their side
What a strange post. Bath are a pretty humble team, even with Finn in their side. Who exactly was "gloating" yesterday? What triggered you?

Unlike Bristol, Harlequins or Exeter (in previous years) who after every try you'd think they'd won a World Cup, Bath are pretty low-key.
In your opinion. I disagree, with the fan base in particular showing themselves to be quite unpleasant (minority hopefully ruining the image of the majority only).

Specific incident from yesterday was Coetzee's reaction. Throw in Tom Dunn 10 seconds later and you have some unpleasant Bath moments.

Lets not turn this page into a Daily Mail comments section. We don't tend to call each other out in this way.
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By dinogyro
#71978
I (we?) expected a kicking, then after the first 30 minutes I thought we might actually win. So disappointment that it was mainly our fault for losing. But when you look at how many first picks were away, our bench was weak and Rob couldn't kick anything, I thought it was okay overall. Still the same problems as identified above though.

Warr was warned prior to the incident when he was tackled. At a previous ruck, Bath players were asking Dickson if the ball was out and he was saying he agreed. Warr is just so slow once he has the ball in a kickable position. Someone must be telling him to do it, but the reason I cannot fathom. Rest time for Forwards? Getting back into a shape?

One of the Barbeary turnovers you could see he had his elbows on the ground and scraped back. A mixed performance from Dickson.
By Olyy
#71980
maultry wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 1:37 pm
Olyy wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2025 4:55 pm
Bath will cruise the league but really hope someone jammy knocks them out in the playoffs, such an unpleasant team - even prime Salarycens didn't have as many gloating shithouses in their side
What a strange post. Bath are a pretty humble team
Come on, even the most one-eyed Bath fan must get a laugh out of a statement like that
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By RinTin
#71981
Olyy wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 2:28 pm
maultry wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 1:37 pm
Olyy wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2025 4:55 pm
Bath will cruise the league but really hope someone jammy knocks them out in the playoffs, such an unpleasant team - even prime Salarycens didn't have as many gloating shithouses in their side
What a strange post. Bath are a pretty humble team
Come on, even the most one-eyed Bath fan must get a laugh out of a statement like that
You've triggered a whole fan base it seems. Sale Sharks thread will be overrun by offended Bath fans in no time.
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By maultry
#71985
Olyy wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 2:28 pm
maultry wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 1:37 pm
Olyy wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2025 4:55 pm
Bath will cruise the league but really hope someone jammy knocks them out in the playoffs, such an unpleasant team - even prime Salarycens didn't have as many gloating shithouses in their side
What a strange post. Bath are a pretty humble team
Come on, even the most one-eyed Bath fan must get a laugh out of a statement like that
In what way aren't they humble? Why not give details instead of these baseless accusations. Other teams like to rub opposition noses in it (Quins), other teams celebrate every try like they've won a world cup (Exeter, Bristol), other teams act like c@$%s (Sarries).

What is it about van Graan's Bath that is not humble in your opinion?

RinTin wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 1:45 pm
Specific incident from yesterday was Coetzee's reaction. Throw in Tom Dunn 10 seconds later and you have some unpleasant Bath moments.
Again, what was Coetzee's reaction? Throwing his hands up in the air and celebrating winning a match-winning penalty? Are players not allowed to celebrate?

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