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I simply forgot about Ellis, another option.poyntonshark wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 3:12 amNo Ellis in any of those mixes (did I miss something, he wasn't a short-term signing was he?).
The two sets of twins are obviously a cut above the rest, but all of our senior back rows are perfectly capable of starting without much of drop in overall quality at all. A great opportunity to help preserve everyone's fitness and freshness with proper rotation available.
Sorry I wasn't clear, I can see that now. I had focused too much on the part of your post about minimal quality drop off if we rotate which I don't agree with. Dugdale stepping in for BC in the final showed that imo.poyntonshark wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 10:22 amSort of repeating. I hadn't considered Birch as a senior player yet, though I suppose he is now. Everyone had apparently forgotten Ellis. By proper rotation, I didn't mean dumping the "first choice" back row and replacing them all, but T Curry for Dugdale one week, B curry for Ellis another week and the drop in overall quality is low. Still yet to be seen if anyone can come close to filling Dan's boots at 8. I assume Van Rhynn will be the first to try.
Sounds like Akker out LCD in, to meShawShark wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 2:53 pmSale just posted on Twitter
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Feel like when he gets an injury it's a bad one - especially his knees, combined he's missed years of his career through knee surgeries
Both would be unbelievably good business!RinTin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 7:19 pmTelegraph reporting its Creevy AND LCD coming in.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union ... ckie-move/
I'm pretty frustrated Akker is off as he is my favourite player we have to watch. The way he plays is so dynamic. Wish him well.
Morning! Final comment on this from me I promisepoyntonshark wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:45 am@RinTin we may have to agree to disagree slightly, but I won't let it be said that I didn't squeeze every last drop out of the issue. In the final, we were also missing Dan and Jean-Luc was busy cuddling the other donkey, so 2/3 of a possible "first choice" back row missing (we pick 3 from 4 top class when all fit) against the best team in the league, of course, there was some quality drop. Measured individually I would challenge you to name any player in the country who wouldn't show some quality drop when compared to Tom (there are very few in the world). Changing just one of them makes that drop pretty much negligible against Premiership opposition, we would certainly aim for "first choice" in the big games.
I'm with @Olyy in that I want primary function to be any player's strength, extra abilities are a bonus. So Props must be able to hold up a scrum, then they can go jackalling and running. Hooker used to have to hook the ball, now has to push in the scrum and throw in (yes I know it doesn't have to be the hooker, but surely the days of Berbizier's comedy underam throw-in are consigned to history). To be fair Akker's darts have been more than reasonable of late, but Creevy a step up in that regard. I admit to not paying the most attention to LCD in regards to his line-out work. Both quality players and Creevy is world class at shithousery too, might raise Gus Warr's game even higher. A couple of notes of caution re: Creevy - not sure how much longer we will get out of him at top level. He is also in the preliminary world cup squad for Argentina so could miss the early season, There is an outside chance that LCD could too I suppose, but looking very unlikely/no chance at the moment.
Take this back - Borthwick has confirmed a shoulder issue hasn't recovered enough for him to be in consideration,
I was thinking that. Maybe we’ve agreed in principle but want to see how his neck/shoulder is first.
You're right that there are two different issues here but we have to consider both of them. The longer term issue (re the medical) can't be assumed to have gone away just because England thought that he had a fighting chance of making a tournament this autumn (which he turned out not to be able to in any event).RinTin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 8:03 amThe french are a lot more black and white with their medicals.
Injured so not selected for England is different to failing a medical. Failing a medical implies long term issue that will likely not get back to 100%. Not being selected for England just means they don't believe he'll be fit for the world cup.
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