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Let me just qualify that quickly. I know Charlie Hodgson scored 34 points in a match for England in a 134-0 win v Romania. I obviously meant a Sale player playing for Sale.Shireshark wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:13 pm1 try, 6 conversions (from 6) and 5 penalties (from 5). I know we've had a 93-0 win v Roma and I recall a 76-0 v Bristol, but is it just possible that 32 points is a record score for a Sale (Sharks) player in a match?
Just being picky, it was 44!Shireshark wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:28 pmLet me just qualify that quickly. I know Charlie Hodgson scored 34 points in a match for England in a 134-0 win v Romania. I obviously meant a Sale player playing for Sale.Shireshark wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:13 pm1 try, 6 conversions (from 6) and 5 penalties (from 5). I know we've had a 93-0 win v Roma and I recall a 76-0 v Bristol, but is it just possible that 32 points is a record score for a Sale (Sharks) player in a match?
Isn't it a record score by an England player full stop?ageinghoody wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:48 pmJust being picky, it was 44!
2 tries, 2 penalties and 14 conversions.
Record individual score on an England debut.
Of course it is!poyntonshark wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 6:33 pmIsn't it a record score by an England player full stop?ageinghoody wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:48 pmJust being picky, it was 44!
2 tries, 2 penalties and 14 conversions.
Record individual score on an England debut.
[Max Boyce] I was there [/Max Boyce]
As far as I can discover the previous records were 26 points for Nick McLeod v El Salvador , 25 points for Perelini v Roma and 20 points for Tom Beim v Bristol Rugby.Shireshark wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:13 pm1 try, 6 conversions (from 6) and 5 penalties (from 5). I know we've had a 93-0 win v Roma and I recall a 76-0 v Bristol, but is it just possible that 32 points is a record score for a Sale (Sharks) player in a match?
Cips. 8 successful kicks? That must have doubled his tally for the seasonSurbiton_Shark wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:58 pmMy lad found Cips got 28 points versus Onnayax - two tries and kicked six conversions and two penalties
Percentage success rate is only really a useful comparison if the total number kicks is similar. Did Cips do much place kicking at Gloucester?DaveAitch wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:48 amComparing kicking success rates, figures taken from Statbunker.
Cipriani 78.4, MacGinty 80.7
Splitting into conversions and penalties
Cipriani 73.4, 83.7
MacGinty 72.5, 90
Conversions presumably are always taken and taken from wherever necessary, while penalties can be more selective. I'll leave the reader to come to his own conclusions.
Not sure I entirely agree with that assertion Will.WillC wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 11:00 amPercentage success rate is only really a useful comparison if the total number kicks is similar. Did Cips do much place kicking at Gloucester?DaveAitch wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:48 amComparing kicking success rates, figures taken from Statbunker.
Cipriani 78.4, MacGinty 80.7
Splitting into conversions and penalties
Cipriani 73.4, 83.7
MacGinty 72.5, 90
Conversions presumably are always taken and taken from wherever necessary, while penalties can be more selective. I'll leave the reader to come to his own conclusions.
fair point, but not knowing how many you are comparing IS relevant. It is also relevant (in my view) WHEN those kicks were taken - for example has Cips taken many place kicks in the last 2 seasons? He certainly hasn't taken any so far this season whilst AJ has been on pretty good form from the tee.poyntonshark wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 11:17 amDon't think it strictly true that they need to be similar numbers, just that both numbers should be sufficiently high to provide a representative sample.
How current is current form. If we take just the last match then AJ MacGinty comes out with (I think) 66%, and arguably a lucky 66% at that, or do we make it just long enough to suit whatever point is trying to be made?poyntonshark wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 11:28 amYes, current form obviously more relevant than career long form.
As Poynters said in his previous post to the one quoted, "numbers should be sufficiently high ... " etc. . Of course sufficiency will be an individual judgment, although I'd argue that no single match, good or bad, qualifies. 50% success in a howling gale with horizontal sleet may well be a very creditable result!DaveAitch wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:06 pmHow current is current form. If we take just the last match then AJ MacGinty comes out with (I think) 66%, and arguably a lucky 66% at that, or do we make it just long enough to suit whatever point is trying to be made?poyntonshark wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 11:28 amYes, current form obviously more relevant than career long form.
When with Sale, Cipriani's kicking rate was 275 from 384 so 71.6% from 101 gamesDaveAitch wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:48 amComparing kicking success rates, figures taken from Statbunker.
Cipriani 78.4, MacGinty 80.7
Splitting into conversions and penalties
Cipriani 73.4, 83.7
MacGinty 72.5, 90
Conversions presumably are always taken and taken from wherever necessary, while penalties can be more selective. I'll leave the reader to come to his own conclusions.