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Oldham Shark wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:46 amWell I bet Paulo hopes Austin Healey is on the disciplinary panel. Healey said on the commentary "When you're in the air you can do whatever you like. If anything, that's a penalty to Wasps for Van Rensburg touching him in the air".
I entirely agree, Major. It’s a very cynical tactic and everyone that does it knows exactly what they’re doing.Major Bloodnok wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:02 amPersonal opinion: you still have a duty of care. Learn to jump without a leading leg and studs exposed. If I were in charge of the laws, a forward extended leg with studs showing would be a mandatory red card if it makes contact anywhere on an opponent's body.
He did, he lifted his leg when he was already in the air, he extended his leg at the top/on the way down.Major Bloodnok wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:02 amLearn to jump without a leading leg and studs exposed.
By "jump", I meant from the point of leaving the ground to landing again.ShawShark wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:28 pmHe did, he lifted his leg when he was already in the air, he extended his leg at the top/on the way down.Major Bloodnok wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:02 amLearn to jump without a leading leg and studs exposed.
Flumpty, could you possibly PM me this weekend's lottery numbers.......!?Flumpty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:45 pm
cough, cough, ahem, ahem, cough, cough
From the BBC "as Flumpty predicted, Doggy gets 6 weeks off"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/50412767
Once I have the right combination of ducks flying backwards, tealeves in cups and clouds making patterns in the sky, I'll drop you a line.chris1850 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:46 pmFlumpty, could you possibly PM me this weekend's lottery numbers.......!?Flumpty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:45 pm
cough, cough, ahem, ahem, cough, cough
From the BBC "as Flumpty predicted, Doggy gets 6 weeks off"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/50412767
I don't think that he does wear a gumshield (have a quick shuftie at google images if you get the chance ), but I'm not sure & no, not all pros wear gumshields !Surbiton_Shark wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:39 amTotally agree with IBozz - his reaction to the ref's decision was appalling
On a slightly different topic.....started with a slight disagreement with my son and the wearing of gumshields.......was Johan actually wearing a gumshield - it didn't look like it and on another note do all the pro's still wear gumshields?
I come across a few Clubs/teams that don't have a no gumshield/no play policy - usually because someones little bundle of joy "doesn't like it" and the parents give in to them.Surbiton_Shark wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:36 pmThanks Flumpty
Alas my son is no longer at the age of playing colt/junior rugby and he stopped listening to me a long time ago anyhow.....when he was a mini we had the same rules - no gumshield no game - I'll be surprised if any club doesn't
It did prompt us to discuss pro's wearing them and I noticed Johan's mouth after Paolo smacked him one
"guards" !?!?!?!! I can't recall ever seeing them being used - I'll keep my eyes open !Van Cannonball wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:09 pmJust to make a counter argument, I tried resolutely to wear a gum shield back in my school playing days but it made me gag every time within seconds of putting it in. Zero chance I could’ve played whilst using one, and a harsh policy that would exclude kids from participating.
Rugby is a contact sport; I played for 7 years and had numerous injuries but never any kind of issue with teeth. I once had my shins kicked in after forgetting my guards, perhaps we should stop kids playing for missing other bits of kit too, or perhaps we could understand individuals have different issues and not put blanket bans on things?...
Or maybe persisted long enoughVan Cannonball wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:45 pmThanks for clearing that up, I obviously didn’t try hard enough...
Your story is unfortunate. I found that wearing a gum shield (when a dental student) made me more aware of my teeth and I actually got that part of my face knocked more when I wore it, than in the all the years I played (and they amount to 30+) that I didn't wear one.Beardedshark wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:59 amAs a dentist I would say a gumshield (dentist made) is essential. Proof being, I melted mine by leaving it in my shorts while they were washed, thought I would be ok as only one game of the season left. Somehow managed to loose half of my front tooth. Muppet!
I think it’s the shop bought ones that fit poorly that make you gag. They don’t really work that well either because they are not close fitting enough to spread the impact.
Don't want to cause argument but I think that's a kinda irresponsible post to make. I used to play without a gum shield, caught a boot to the face and snapped two teeth that now have caps on. Bit of a freak injury sure but I know that had I worn a gumsheild it wouldn't have happened.DaveAitch wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 10:06 amYour story is unfortunate. I found that wearing a gum shield (when a dental student) made me more aware of my teeth and I actually got that part of my face knocked more when I wore it, than in the all the years I played (and they amount to 30+) that I didn't wear one.Beardedshark wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:59 amAs a dentist I would say a gumshield (dentist made) is essential. Proof being, I melted mine by leaving it in my shorts while they were washed, thought I would be ok as only one game of the season left. Somehow managed to loose half of my front tooth. Muppet!
I think it’s the shop bought ones that fit poorly that make you gag. They don’t really work that well either because they are not close fitting enough to spread the impact.
What is certainly true is that custom made gumshields fit much better than shop bought types. The gag reflex is a major problem to some people. Shop bought shields appear to be significantly worse in this regard.
There are very few properly conducted studies. There is a good rundown of gumshields here https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/35/2/81.
I have seen very few injuries to teeth from playing ruby. There have, however, been more players with fractured cheekbones, Le Fort fractures (where all the upper jaw becomes detached from the rest of the skull) or lower jaw fractures than those with just fractured teeth. Indeed (without it being in anyway a scientific survey) I have seen more injuries to teeth from horse riding, bikes or swimming than through rugby, and probably an equal number from tennis and hockey.
For me, anyone who is overly worried about damaging teeth (or any other injury) shouldn't be playing at all.