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I am sorry but I just do not get this at all. Football and rugby are,by implication, full on contact sports. Aside from the heightened risks to professional players returning to play, the real danger is that the public generally perceive that social distancing is now less important and thousands of park kickabouts etc resume?Flumpty wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 5:20 pmFrom the BBC https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/52862637
It's getting closer............
From the linked article ""The wait is over. Live British sport will shortly be back on in safe and carefully controlled environments," said the Secretary of State for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport, Oliver Dowden. "chris1850 wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 7:26 pmI am sorry but I just do not get this at all.Flumpty wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 5:20 pmFrom the BBC https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/52862637
It's getting closer............
The Government has passed it across to the individual controlling bodies to decide when they can start, so if the RFU (& BB) say not until x date, then x date it will be.
Have I misunderstood something?Van Cannonball wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 12:53 amAnyone positive won’t be playing, ergo it’s safe, or as safe as it can be, for them to be in close physical contact.
Generally agree with you Flumpty except that the first photo is a bit misleading. 2 helicopters needed to land on the beach which forced all those people to get very close together, that was not necessarily their choice. The idiots in that situation are the people who thought it was a good idea to go tomb-stoning AT ALL, let alone during a lockdown, forcing the need for 2 helicopters to land.Flumpty wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 8:12 pmFrom the linked article ""The wait is over. Live British sport will shortly be back on in safe and carefully controlled environments," said the Secretary of State for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport, Oliver Dowden. "chris1850 wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 7:26 pmI am sorry but I just do not get this at all.Flumpty wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 5:20 pmFrom the BBC https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/52862637
It's getting closer............
You don't have to look to closely to find people alreaday gathering in groups. Maybe its because they're special they can gather together.
if / when it does crack off again, these are the type of people to thank.
Going a bit off topic but I'm afraid H's D that I simply don't buy the "Britain is crap, everyone else is wonderful" bollox. France has had many of the same issues as the UK and their PPE shortages were worse (not least because they incinerated almost 1.5Billion masks as the virus arrived in Europe). They also had several hospitals totally overwhelmed, which we broadly avoided over here (don't forget that they are much less densely populated that the UK). In Germany they appear to have done a very good job of keeping this at bay (although I doubt their statistics) but they are now squabbling about the lifting of the lock-down as the various states within the country have a lot of autonomy (much like our home nations doing everything slightly differently, but worse).H's D wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:43 pmSadly not just the populace. With the rest of Europe only just beginning to open up when their numbers are far far lower than in the UK , AFTER a long period of track and trace as well as lockdown, then it's pretty obvious we are jumping the gun.
With around half of all cases asymptomatic (and with unknown infectivity) and not actually having demonstrated any real success in track and trace then it's a huge gamble.....We don't even have an official mechanism for quick local feedback of the impact of relaxation....
WillC wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:52 pm
Going a bit off topic but I'm afraid H's D that I simply don't buy the "Britain is crap, everyone else is wonderful" bollox.
Where on earth do get "everyone else is wonderful?" I made no such suggestion. I was just pointing out that we are jumping the gun judging by what others have done...They have waited until infection levels are much lower before releasing lockdowns.
Every country has some issues, but we appear to have almost every issue going....and I can't find any particlular metric which indicates we have done well in comparison with others in at least one respect...
As for believing what the press say: I only believe and accept those opinions which are supported by the facts, and it certainly isn't just some of the British press that are indicating we have done fairly badly in dealing with this epidemic: Foreign Governments, their press, WHO and most scientific opinion and analysis indicate that we haven't exactly done well in all of this...especially in comparison to those countries that took early decisive action (following the gold standard science of test, trace, isolate).
Moreover i would certainly not swap places with the US, Brazil or much of the third world. They appear to have done worse or seem on course for that judgement. Wgereas I would sqap places with Australia and N.Z. in how quickly and effectively they reacted.
Judgment will come far later but when government ministers indicated that anything less than 20K deaths would be considered a success in terms of their policy & strategy in dealing with Covid in mid March I certainly took note.
I've found the "following the science" sound byte quite a disingenuous one from the Gvt.Lord Elpus wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:36 pm
Obviously much of what Davenport Shark wrote is bang on. What I find difficult to understand is:- The Govts say they have followed the science throughout, if they haven't then why haven't the chief scientists resigned?
Particularly in demanding care homes taking "recovered" Covid patients BEFORE confirming they are no longer infectious. Horrendous policy....MikeGC wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:49 pmThe low accuracy of the COVID test should raise concerns.
As does the official reluctance to perform multiple tests on each individual
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52906 ... um=custom7
It's not lack of "accuracy" as such it's more a fundamental property of any medical Antigen test which then involves either culture or polymerase chain reaction multiplication is always only likely to be accurate when POSITIVE. It only means you were shedding virus at that time.MikeGC wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:49 pmThe low accuracy of the COVID test should raise concerns.
As does the official reluctance to perform multiple tests on each individual
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52906 ... um=custom7
Not throughout, Lord Elpus.Lord Elpus wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:36 pmThe Govts say they have followed the science throughout, if they haven't then why haven't the chief scientists resigned?
H's D wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:53 pmSorry H's D, not you specifically. I am just fed up (and this may be in part down to Lockdownitus) with the almost constant barrage that I hear about how crap the UK is compared to everywhere else (from the press but also friends and family). It has been going on for years but it ramped up with the Brexit referendum and seems to have increased again with Covid.WillC wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:52 pm
Going a bit off topic but I'm afraid H's D that I simply don't buy the "Britain is crap, everyone else is wonderful" bollox.
Where on earth do get "everyone else is wonderful?" I made no such suggestion. I was just pointing out that we are jumping the gun judging by what others have done...They have waited until infection levels are much lower before releasing lockdowns.
Every country has some issues, but we appear to have almost every issue going....and I can't find any particlular metric which indicates we have done well in comparison with others in at least one respect...
As for believing what the press say: I only believe and accept those opinions which are supported by the facts, and it certainly isn't just some of the British press that are indicating we have done fairly badly in dealing with this epidemic: Foreign Governments, their press, WHO and most scientific opinion and analysis indicate that we haven't exactly done well in all of this...especially in comparison to those countries that took early decisive action (following the gold standard science of test, trace, isolate).
Moreover i would certainly not swap places with the US, Brazil or much of the third world. They appear to have done worse or seem on course for that judgement. Wgereas I would sqap places with Australia and N.Z. in how quickly and effectively they reacted.
Judgment will come far later but when government ministers indicated that anything less than 20K deaths would be considered a success in terms of their policy & strategy in dealing with Covid in mid March I certainly took note.
I just happen to think that overall, on balance, with all its faults, our country (or indeed our collection of nations) is pretty good and I fail to understand why "we" have to do it down so often.
In terms of the virus, this is new for everyone. All that the decisions makers can do is make decisions based on, frankly, best guesses. Those decisions can't be beta tested but you can be damned sure, no matter what the outcome, a proportion of the population will think that it was the "wrong" decision.
He's on from 7 mins onwards.Lord Elpus wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:11 pmDimes on BBCR5 last night.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p08g38pw
There was a release put out by Bristol about the players that were leaving and the ones joining, all from 1 July. Definitely suggested to me that all the moves are happening around the same time. Makes for a very odd situations where a player might leave Exeter at the top of the table and in best position to win the league, only to end the season at a club that hasn't won the league. On indeed the other way round and end up winning the league.